weight to the factors that go into whether or not to apply a law and you only overturn a judicial precedent of the supreme court under extraordinary circumstances. >> and yet he seemed to -- i hear you and that's really helpful. how do you both explain his about face when it comes to his views, it appears, on investigations into sitting presidents? jen, as you know, he helped kenneth starr lead the charge of the white water investigation into bill clinton, but then years later -- 2009, judge kavanaugh said that he did not think that a sitting president should be able to be investigated because the investigation can be so hon rouse it could get in the way of presidential duties? >> well, again, i think on every issue judge kavanaugh looks at the text statute and look case by case.