whether his experience in the white house working for w. helped him evolve genuinely and sincerely as reflected in this minnesota law review article. >> i think that is exactly the question and i wonder what the answer. >> let's remember from his writings that he said that a president should be accountable for lying to the public in that part of the starr report. that will be used. this will certainly be fodder for the confirmation hearing, there's no doubt. >> that was the 1990s version of brett kavanaugh, not the 2009 version. >> right. >> but we should also point out that one of the reasons why this will be cheered by conservatives and will make it difficult for red state democrats is what he's done on the d.c. circuit to uphold restrictions on the government's ability to intervene in the economy. and in that way, again, the president has done a lot to unite his base. >> gentlemen, thanks very much. coming up, we are going to speak to the deputy white house press secretary who is handling the confirmation process.