trying to get to intent, don't you have to interview -- >> absolutely. and let's not forget that the supreme court has dealt with this question at least indirectly in clinton v jones. in the paula jones case, the supreme court said, we don't care how busy bill clinton is, he has to give a deposition in the paula jones case. historically, the courts have been even more solicitous of grand jury investigations. you would think the logic is that the president would have to give grand jury testimony as well. so, you know, it's not like we here. kavanaugh's position is much more solicitous of the president's position than the supreme court. >> kavanaugh's position is donald trump's lawyer's position, period. they have been saying all along from day one that you shouldn't be bothering the president with all of this right now. some of this can be taken care of if you have civil suits, it