outweigh whatever their personal beliefs are. >> and to your point about the wisdom of the ads targeting the republicans. if you're chuck schumer and you're trying to get joe donnelly up for re-election in indiana, you know, joe manchin in west virginia, heidi heitkamp in north dakota, we could go on, john tester in montana. if you're trying to get them to say no, it's going to be hard anyway. but if a susan collins or lisa murkowski says no, then it's easier. >> yes, if collins and murkowski are against -- those senate moderates really do matter. they come out for, which i think manchin particularly might do, then collins' vote becomes easier, one, and her vote doesn't matter, two. i think you're going to see a lot of ads in those states by democrats targeting their conservative members at some point too. >> i bet you're going to see a lot of democrats waiting. going to try to get the republicans out there first and make their decision. all right. a lot of that ahead for the next weeks and months. next, as the president heads to montana, a democratic senator looking to hold on to a seat does something unpopular with