this government tries to use it as a deterrence. it won't work. they're leaving far worse conditions than their finding. they're trying to give their children a little hope. there is a hope they will be in a better situation than they were as refugees. that is the reality that this administration never factored in into really the policy. this is one of the worst things that the government could do. the optics are bad but the reality is worse. >> we know that a government attorney admitted there was never a plan to reunify these families. this is, as john said, a feature, not a bug of the policy. before it was widely understood, there was never a government plan to reunify the children with the families. >> they didn't want to.