there were a lot of women there who knew the women who had been separated from their kids. i had just come from the border. i was there two days ago in mcallen, exactly where dianne is. i talked to the women whose kids had been yanked from them. they were one of the lucky ones because they had been reunited with their children. >> what did they tell you about how difficult it is to get information or if they can identify with the parents who have already been deported and trying to retreat -- you know, what's the communication like? >> they were scared to death, fredricka. scared to death. yes, these were some of the lucky ones, like i said, because they had been reunited with their children. but they had heard the nightmare stories and had been with other mothers whose kids they still haven't been able to find. what dianne described is a process that is -- the incompetence is unreal.