problems as anybody, but we try to solve them in a different way. and one of the ways we try to solve the sort of challenges is by embracing people as much as we can. and trying to make space as much as we can. >> rene: do we have two peas ready for table four? can i go with that now? >> noma chefs: yes. >> anthony: extraordinary. i was reading something you wrote that's very un-american in its concept, which is don't be afraid to fail. >> rene: yeah. when we did this dish, to us it was a very big moment. because we burnt it by mistake. and then we thought, okay, it's a mistake, let's see what happens and we cooked it and then we had a new paste. an new, sort of, spice for us. >> anthony: that's indescribably delicious. >> anthony: all cookbooks, particularly american cookbooks, are written from the point of view that if you only follow this recipe, it will turn out great. >> rene: you're safe. this is what we try to talk about everyday in the kitchen,