course, with the sketchy information we have out here right now we don't know how many rounds he had with him and it's not 100% confirmed yet that it was a shotgun. >> right. of course. art, what kind of ammunition does a shotgun take? are there probably individuals out there who imagine it's bullet by bullet and it is not. >> it's not. you can have bird shot which are very tiny pellets. standard kind of round that law enforcement uses is double ought buck and fairly large pellets and also a slug round which is very deadly that a lot of people use in deer hunting and it's basically like an ounce of lead coming out of that barrel so, you know, you can also use a combination of those different rounds but law enforcement generally uses the gauge rounds, the 12-gauge shotgun rounds and it's usually double ougt buck. >> i want to bring back