in modern politics at the level that he's at than president trump. so, it's just bad. it's not getting us anywhere. it's making it very difficult to find common ground. we're not seeing action in congress, as a result. we're not seeing any bipartisanship. people are frozen in silos. it's just bad, wolf. it just is. so we're going to take it on tonight, in the hopes of making people see, there's a better way. >> yeah, let's see. if there is a better way, a lot of us are pretty worried about what's going on right now. as you know, the president, he won the white house by being a very strong counterpuncher. he often said, you hit him, he's going to hit you ten times harder. but it doesn't seem like his supporters right now admire that kind of behavior when it's being used against the trump administration. >> well, but i don't think they're going to be unusual in that way, right? that's what's good for the goose is good for the gander. that's always what someone's being told. they never say that nabout themselves when something is happening to them.