that's something that we're also still trying to get our head around. but it does seem like she has taken it upon herself to step out on this issue in a way that we've really rarely seen before. >> we'll pull up the picture of this jacket. this jacket that is now getting a lot of attention because on the back of it it says "i really don't care, do u" and i have to be honest, i was very torn talking about this jacket because i don't care what a woman wears and her team said i hope the media isn't going to choose to focus on her wardrobe but then the president tweeted about it. and the president made it an issue as well and said, well, actually she's talking to the fake news media. >> yeah, well -- >> so then i was like, okay. so what do you make of this message? >> first of all, it's okay to talk about it because she's a public figure, in public, doing public stuff, and that invites public discussion. in fact that's the whole choices. we're used to seeing her in, you