who has dealt with this issue under prosecute obama, what's your reaction to the policy as well as this executive order the president signed yesterday? >> anderson, thanks for having me on. experience shows, my own experience shows, that perceived changes in immigration enforcement policy do have a reaction. at best, they have a short term affect on illegal my graigratio. so long as the underlying conditions continue to exist, illegal migration will continue to exist. that's what the 2014 experience, my three years as secretary showed and so we looked at doing a number of different things. we embraced a number of different things. some of which i freely admit were controversial. the one thing we would not do is separate children from their parents when they got to the border. >> attorney general sessions say they never intended to separate kids. it's the opposite of what he