never was able to achieve? >> absolutely. i mean, kim jong un was able to achieve somethin his father and grandfather had sought but he couldn't achieve. he got to sit down with the most powerful man in the world, the american president, gave him prestige, will the legitimacy. and as max just pointed out, in return it's not like we didn't give anything. we then talked about stopping exercises. and again, as max said, in using north korea's own rhetoric, calling it provocative, calling it war games instead of saying these are defensive in nature and these are training that we're doing because of the north korean threat. so here north korea got everything and we didn't really get anything in return. >> i appreciate your time. >> coming up, michael cohen in