alternative, which is a horrdous war. >> i said that in the opening, dana -- >> exactly. and you're totally right. exactly, it's like how you talk to your kid rk i'd talk to my almost 7-year-old, just because somebody said this been you didn't make it right for you to i think that's the case right now -- >> i don't think we should fall to the trap by saying the only alternatives are nuclear war or the kind of diplomacy that donald trump is conducts where he's making a lot of concess and not getting anything back. i'm all about engaging in north korea but do it firmly. i don't think you law the dictatorship of -- >> we can keep doing what we were doing and that was not working. i think the president has dealt with kim -- >> i think your right.