not all crawling with trolls with reality shows. i grew up summering on those beaches and they are awesome. >> and he just was a regular person, you know? in his regular jeans and his regular shirt. he had no pretension and he had no interest in pretension, and it was one of the most compelling and endearing things about him. >> he was somebody who was actually introverted and just happened to have this very public job of being on television and being in the >> it was interesting because he was such a dichotomy. he was this swashbuckling, larger than life character who was very good looking and, you know, women loved and men wanted to be, and yet he was always kind of -- to me, it always seemed that he was very confident or seemed very confident. he was always just winking at it all, that he was kind of in on the joke.