beautiful take on the world, who brought history and politics and food smarts and humor and honesty -- regardless of the success and the money, the person who really seemed to like have his life in order, to die like that it's -- it's profoundly upsetting. >> we bonded because how do you measure success, right? but a certain level of success he reached later in life, and so did i in my 40s. and when you come to it late you see the humor in it, and you don't really take it for granted. but you still kind of laugh it because you realize it's timing, it's luck. and, you know, it has something to do with you, but sometimes the planets just line up and you feel like the luckiest person on ear