daniels. he is freelancing. it suggests to me at least in the near term, the president of the united states supports what he is doing. >> in this case, i think the key here is that the first lady's office chose to put out a statement. they might as well have put the flame emoji on it. i mean, this was absolutely to say, rudy, you back off here. you are not talking for me. >> yeah. i think the bottom line, chris makes the point, the bottom line factor, rudy guiliani is the court jester. and the president and him may have talked about what to say. and i guarantee you rudy guiliani and the president have -- his freelancing is an appearance. they may not have talked to the first lady. but i giuliani and the president are talking. but a a court jester is useful, look over here, don't look over here. while rudy guiliani is ranting and raving at betsy devos tearing down the department of