been he's been concerned about growing protectionism and withdrawal from the world. that concerns him. the sort of maximalism that some members of congress bring to our deliberations, where they want 100% of their way and there's never any compromise contemplated, i think those things bother him, but on the whole, i think he goes through these batches and i'm hopeful that we'll work our way back out of it. >> he's hopeful that the institutions of democracy are strong? >> he thinks they are. episodically, they get a little creek creaky. there's a lot of gridlock in congress. he's spoken to that directly. he thinks in a country of 125 million opinuaionated people, there's no other way to govern. >> mark salter, i appreciate