think anyone really thinks that the president is going to pardon himself. rudy giuliani said himself that's not going to happen. i don't think anybody is thinking he'll go out and shoot. rudy giuliani is acting on behalf of the president and wants to make sure he keeps his job but attorneys for the president often go adios, amigos. >> bill clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice and what we're finding ourself in right now with this russia investigation, listen to what he said today. >> i think if the roles were reversed, now this is me just talking and based on my talking, if there were a democratic president and the facts were present, most people in washington believe impeachment hearings would have begun already. >> if there were a democrat in power? >> patrick, do you think that's the case? >> i think that's a bit of a stretch because i think that both sides want an investigation