>> with me now, two american people, two political whizes on other sides of the aisle, joining me, patty solis doyle and alice stewart. thank you for coming in on a holiday. you both get bonus points for that in my book. alice, let me -- happy memorial day. important day to honor those who have given so much. thank you, both. alice, to you. what do you make of giuliani clearly laying out here, this is not just about legally defending the president, this is about how he's viewed in the eyes of the american public. >> sure, he's clearly engaging in an opening statement of trying to win this argument in a court of public opinion, but in my view, it would be more beneficial to make sure that his client, the president, can make his case in a court of law if necessary. and he is -- has expressed deep concern about if the president were to testify with mueller, if he would get caught up in a