not as u.s. administration officials have been portraying them, desperate because of sanctions and coming to the table begging. >> all right. gary, let's talk about venezuela and the release of this prisoner. how much credit should president trump get for both this prisoner release and also those three hostages that were released recently by north korea? >> well, i can speak to the north korean situation. i mean, two of these were people that were snatched by the north koreans after president trump took office. and it's typical behavior for the north koreans to grab some americans which they can later use in a gesture or give away in order to improve relations at the right time. so i think it was a very cynical and calculating move on the part of the north koreans in order to set the stage for what they hope will be the summit coming up. >> so let's talk about the summit, then, gary. i mean, who do you think is winning in the back and forth here between the white house and