team. jeffery toobin and josh campbell. jeff, does it make sense to you, rudy giuliani, i mean does he have the leverage to demand this information about a confidential source as a condition of an interview? >> well, he can decline to give an interview for any reason or no reason at all, and then they'll just fight it out in court over a subpoena. what looks to be going on here is that giuliani is looking to create some sort of impasse so that he can decline an interview. and he seems to be erecting obstacles just for the purpose of avoiding the interview. >> he's latching on to this so-called spy issue. >> right, and this so-called spy issue, first of all there's absolutely no evidence there was