conversations about whether china is helping us or not helping us with north korea. conversations that the president leads about whether russia is intervening in the midterm elections. what are we supposed to believe? here's my bottom line. it's a bottom line you would not have said two years ago, six years ago, ten years ago. when we go into these key questions, the president is not the arbiter of truth. that will be the members of his cabinet. that will be the congress. and that will be the media. in the past we've been able to look at the president and say what's happening around the world, you give us the truth and then you help us understand what to do in the future. i don't think we can trust the president to do that. >> so to phil's point, kevin, the president has a long history of spreading conspiracy theories and lies to great success. pretending at one point that he was his own pr person, right? remember that? saying president obama wasn't born here, that thousands celebrated 9/11 on rooftops. millions voted illegally. president obama wiretapped him. he had the largest crowds. i mean, i could go on, but we