of work together. and there's a panama canal which a significant amount of american commerce goes. his first question really was, what do we get out of it. i was taken aback by that. i gave him a litany of what we get from this relationship, which was clearly a symmetrical. as soon as it didn't seem like a threat, as soon as it was clear we didn't have a trade deficit, as soon as it was clear panama's working well with us on stopping drugs coming from south america or stopping undocumented migrants, as soon as the threat seemed neutralized it was almost as if he lost interest and asked me about the hotel. >> interesting. this is a quo from the article describing your thoughts on the president. you said in private he is exactly like it is on t.v. except he doesn't curse in public. he has to be boss, if you don't sow him deference he kills you. do you think -- do you think he's intimidated his way through the presidency and how does that