weapons that we don't talk about in terms of gun control, these are not average but not high-density weapons. and so this is not falling uniquely or distinctly into the gun debate we often have in these discussions. and then the third factor is the ied. i think one of the problems is because we become acclimated with school shootings, we see with the assailants something we saw in terrorism, they have to keep upping the ante for people to pay attention and had this been successful and what he wanted to do is kill a lot of people and explode a lot of things and killing a lost people and we have to be cautious that there is this ratcheting up through the copycats as we see more and more of the school shooting cases. >> and you mentioned the issue of how this suspected shooter is thought to have been able to get firearms and it is true that very few of the laws, if any that i've heard proposed in the last five years, after nif one