special counsel and he left convinced that they are focused on the collusion. a lot of questions. and he says they have more information about the trump campaign. was that your experience? >> so what happened between the voluntary and the grand jury. voluntary, they knew the answer, they want to test your veracity. in the voluntary, there was some insight by me given. when i went to the grand jury, there were things that i told them. they just want facts, facts, what i knew. >> given that caputo as of a few weeks says that the special counsel is focused soon collusi. can you rule out the possibility that they didn't find anything. >> i don't know if any collusion at all and by the way, i don't know how we define collusion here too.