allegiances and trump's desire to get more money is also what the russians know. and they certainly knew it. and so they were playing with it as well, and they were giving money to michael cohen or trying to meet with the son-in-law or whatever. so these vulnerabilities that are trump's own fault because of his focus solely on what kind of wealth he can accumulate are actually national security vulnerabilities because we don't know what allegiances trump had and what allegiances the trump organization had. i think that means michael cohen is vulnerable because he's not family. if you're not family you are extendible. >> seth, before we run out of time, you said cohen was the key to unlocking trump. what do you mean by that? >> i guess i disagree with julia a little bit there. that their relationship goes back so far, if cohen goes down then trump is going down with