of course things could change. new lawyers are being brought on board. emmet flood as we recently reported. but that's what they're aiming for. so while rudy giuliani is there in the public, speaking to the media, behind the scenes there are very serious discussions going on about whether the president will testify. >> thank you very much, pamela. and obviously significant there if they are shooting for a may 17th date as pamela indicated they're trying to. all these questions about whether they'll face a subpoena or take the fifth, obviously they have to make some hard decisions and fast. "outfront" now renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor, harry sandic, southern district of neerk and john avalon, editor in chief of "the daily beast," also chief speech writer for then new york city mayor rudy giuliani. you might have written different answers to some of these questions. but the president has made it clear what he thinks about people taking the fifth. now giuliani is saying trump himself may take the fifth and we're hearing they want to make a decision, if they can, by may