hours. but about having to have the audacity to say we'll dictate all of the terms, and we're going to cooperate with and he has the ultimate grand jury subpoena power in his back pocket, it is a fantasy to think they could dictate every term but it is part of the rudy to the rescue since he joined the administration. >> it is not crazy to think there would be a time limit? >> as i said, with clinton it was four hours. >> and two or three hours is too short. but it is not that different from four. which is what clinton agreed to. but if you just look at the whole demeanor of how the white house is handling this, the odds that they could actually reach any sort of agreement on time, on subject matter seem increasingly remote. >> and the way trump dealt with litigation through his business career. it is fight, fight, fight. on question of an interview, laura coats, we know that robert mueller raised the possibility of a subpoena with trump's lawyers if the white house -- if the president were to refuse. is a mean to the president, is