pretty extreme raises, and now tell a committee the other story. you had greg walden, a conservative republican, today criticizing scott pruitt. nobody on the left is making him do this. i'm surprised you're taking this tack. because it's as though you can't find a guy who's tough on climate change or pro-drilling who doesn't have these kinds of ethical problems. he has ethical problems -- >> wait a minute, wait a minute. joan, how many people in the media even batted an eye when gene mccarthy was spending millions to go to -- over to paris for the -- all over the world for these posh places for these climate change conferences that cost 10, 100 times more than the money that is supposed to have been misappropriated by scott pruitt. i mean, it's like comparing an ant with an elephant in terms of the money that was misappropriated by the previous administration -- >> i think we've had these sequential revelations about high spending on the taxpayers' dime about -- >> you didn't answer my