david urban and carrie sellers. just from a legal standpoint, the president's power to pardon is pretty absolute. >> it is. executive power for the president, a pardon is one of the fundamental exec ty powers -- executive powers that he has. we don't even know what michael cohen might be charged with. >> if he's charged at all. we should point out he hasn't been charged -- >> nobody has charged him yet, so there is a little bit of anticipation of going towards the pardon power. >> the only limit, and correct me if i'm wrong here, on a president's pardoning power is if it's done in order to buy somebody's silence, correct, or if there is a deal? >> there is nowhere that is that specifically spelled out. what we would be talking about would be an abusive use of constitutional authority. it really gets to the president's executive,