>> but, no, jeff sessions and the president have had this back and forth for months. and jeff sessions, even in the rough times has said, look, i'm not going. and senate republicans have stood behind jeff sessions. and if rosenstein is fired and jeff sessions leaves, republicans are going to be forced to do some things that they don't want. and they have warned this president not to do anything to sessions. and if he fires rosenstein and sessions leaves, this signals something to senate republicans. just republicans on the hill. and you have to remember, there is a fine line for this white house and any other white house, you're not supposed to put your hand in the pot at the u.s. department of justice. >> well, that was -- that was then. this is now. and that could all change. >> it's still, supposedly, the fact. it's still policy. >> evan, you have some new reporting tonight on how exactly fresh firepower got added to trump's legal team. i'm talking about rudy giuliani. trump personally pushed for him,