clear that jeff sessions' message to don mcgahn look if this occurred you would have a revolt on your hands in the justice department. and that would be a real problem. and that sessions was very happy to learn that in the meeting that rosenstein had with the president last friday in which we are recording that rosenstein apparently told the president that he had no legal jeopardy in the michael cohen case, that the president was pretty happy with that news and maybe with rosenstein. maybe now he won't fire him. and zwref sessions will be happy. >> rich, would be it a problem politically for the president if he fired rosenstein and sessions quit? >> yes. yes it sure would. anything i does to move against mueller almost any form now would risk causing a semi collapse in his justice department. he won be able to get confirmed aj or a deputy ag to replace him. so it would be a crisis of legislate macy in his justice department.