honestly describe something that was above just ordinary carelessness. leaving a document on a counter at a restaurant or something and criminal misconduct. it was between those two. >> you don't have a phrase that would have been -- >> i still don't. you might expect i've kind of suppressed the effort since then to try to figure it out. >> after you were fired president trump tweeted there might be tapes of the private conversations. you said you asked your friend to then leak some information about your interactions with the president. not classified information but information about your interactions with the president and you say you did this, testified you did this to try to force the creation of a special counsel. why? why would a special counsel be needed? why would the department of justice and fbi not be able to continue to do the job? >> i thought that the department as currently supervised would not be aggressive enough to go serve process to get the tapes? >> jeff sessions is too weak? >> he recused himself. >> rod rosenstein -- >> new deputy attorney general and i didn't have confidence given what he saw around my firing and something has to be done.