that will be a success, and maybe it will be, and maybe it won't be. we don't know. but we'll see what happens. but i can say this, they do respect us, and we are respectful of them, and we're going to see what happens. i think it's a time for talking and solving problems. >> if you talk to the japanese delegation, they're as nervous about this as people on capitol hill. not that they don't want this to go forward, but what are we talking about here? if the north koreans are willing to de-nuclearize, can you get something in the short term? >> just the meeting for the north koreans would be a success, even if they came away with nothing, that would be a big victory. this is something that north korea has wanted for a long time, legitimacy. so that do they need a