state charges are filed, there is no pardoning. >> the southern district won't -- the southern district will not file state charges. they will do federal charges, also. >> but there may be other state charges? >> there may be state charges. in fact, i read a couple of articles recently by lawyers, noting in court submissions by the special counsel how they seem to be holding back evidence for state prosecution in virginia and new york, which is kind of an interesting angle. >> and that's the president fees biggest vulnerability and michael cohen's, because he can't pardon him, and then -- >> he's got a war on two fronts. >> thank you, john dean. always a pleasure. >> thank you, don. when we come back, two black men arrested in philadelphia at a starbucks. starbucks' ceo apologizing, but are apologies enough? and why do things like this keep happening in america? ♪ ♪ wake up early, o.