president trump himself says that he barely knows the guy. given how many thousands of people are out there -- pie office used to process the requests on a regular basis. given how many thousands of people out there who may have been prosecuted in a way overaggressive where charges were piled on, who want to get on with lives in a way maybe the president can help by issuing a pardon, none of those people got a pardon. but this person who the president doesn't know, lous him to make a political message and send a message to people in the hot seat with respect to the mueller investigation i find it difficult to come to any other conclusion but that he is sending a message. it's true the pardon power is something the president can exercise in any way he wants. but it's kind of a abuse if you use it to send a politicalle message to people who may be in a position to testify against. >> you do thank you for your time. do not miss it i will sit down with james comey for his first live interview on the lead