>> so, if he made recordings and played them for associates and also for the president, or then citizen donald trump, i mean, i guess -- was it known that he recorded conversations? i mean, it must have been at least among some people. >> amongst some folks, they've heard him play the recordings, and knew that he did it. i don't know that most people who spoke to him knew they did it. new york is a one party consent state. both sides do not have to agree to the conversation being recorded. that said, the recordings could actually prove to backfire here, if they show activity. one of the other things we reported tonight is that he also did business transactions to have leverage. in political conversations, he would play the recordings for president trump. he would talk to different people about the president and then he would show the recordings and let the president