what they were going to find and where they were going to find it. so all of that information is already out there. my guess is that mueller has already had this stuff, he knows about it. you talk about the e-mails and i will say this. one thing of interest to me is his use of the phone. we know there have been people caught up on wires in this investigation. we don't know what's out there and what people have heard and what's been documented, things he's said. >> to that point, don, cnn is even reporting that cohen had a habit of recording his phone calls and that the fbi then raided his office and his home, it's pretty certain that they were able to collect perhaps recordings that he made of conversations. and we don't know if those conversations were the conversations he was having with donald trump. so though he didn't e-mail we do know he used the telephone. >> reba, you said that david pecker is becoming the next michael cohen. talk to me about that. >> we know that the federal