in a separated fashion so they kept the russia investigation clean. >> manafort and gates -- play devil's advocate for a second. manafort and gates are charged with crimes regarding laalleged money laundering -- >> that's their elections, not ours. >> but it has to do with ties and back door -- >> it has nothing to do with the 2016 election. >> i don't think we know that. >> i think all we've seen is comments like, sure, we'll talk to -- marketing. continuing their marketing into that part of the world, talking to people they've had ten-year relationships with and who the news plays up as, oh, my gosh, this ex-military guy from the soviet union, now russia, they've been working with him for ten years. >> ties to the russians. >>any tie to russia qualifies?