made decisions she went through -- she didn't personally inspect them and split the e-mails in the server to things that had potential relevance in her professional life and things she deemed personal. personal e-mails were deleted and they became a holy grail for the trump campaign on the eve of the democratic convention. you had donald trump literally appealing to the russians, please get your hands on this. i think that is one of the reasons why you see so much interest, so many attempts for people like joseph schmidts and papadapoulos and the don jr. meeting at the trump tower, they believe there was something here to disqualify her and they thought they needed that out of nowhere shot to take her out because simply te didn't think they had a chance short of that. >> well sam, they certainly seemed obsessed with getting hillary clinton's e-mails and to -- to both chris and jim's point, he was one of the first five campaign foreign policy advisers named by the trump campaign and others were carter