sees this probe play out. his lawyers see this probe with 19 people at least being charged with criminal offenses and including for lying, i think the president understands the gravity of the situation and as we know he has not formally agreed to a sitdown interview. but what it seems to me from talking to sources, don, is that the lawyers wanted to go ahead and take the steps to just begin preparing him, taking those initial steps and even though that final decision hasn't been made yet. >> that is a very smart strategy. i have to admit. john, listen, when under oath, if the president is under oath, when he's under oath, he lacks details. but "the washington post" looked at two depositions that he sat previously through and they said in 2012 trump university deposition, he couldn't recall details 24 times in a 2015 deposition 35 times. that won't fly with the special counsel, will it? >> they will press him. indeed in his most recent