jury subpoena. clinton versus jones and nixon versus the united states do not allow them to resist. and so they're preparing for the inevitable. or they still think there is wiggle room and trying to present the evidence to the president about how he could be in danger were he to sit down and use these prep sessions as a means to dissuade him from moving forward with the interview and taking it to court. >> or also to see maybe -- possibly how he performs during interview and then judge well maybe he might be okay with the special counsel -- >> maybe. but if you watch the presser or whatever it was in west virginia where he threw his notes up in the air, i don't think that is a good sign of how things might work out in that respect. >> well said. that is a good observation. pam, the president has said multiple times that he wants to sit down with robert mueller. watch this. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version