than they would have had if you had crooked hillary clinton as president. okay? that i can tell you. many billions of dollars more. >> joined by retired army general wesley clark, who is nato's former supreme commander and by retired army lieutenant general mark hertling. thanks for being with us. general clark, as a former nato supreme allied commander, i wonder what you make of the president's comments, what went throughed your mind if you heard him say that today. >> well, first, anderson, these countries have all paid their debts to nato. what we have tried to explain for years to president trump, but he doesn't want to hear, is it's about how much money they are spending on their own defense. now, full credit to president trump, he did make an issue of this and several countries are spending more on their defense, so that's a good thing. but what these presidents want and what nato wants is consistent, strong, reliable u.s. leadership.