anderson, folks like me when we get together and chat about this, we look at the russian covert action. the covert influence campaign with regard to the american presidential election. we remind one another there are probably more tears sheds over successful covert action campaigns than unsuccessful ones. here you had a magnificent russian effort operationally and technically and what has it led to. improved relations. improved status for the russians globally. absolutely not. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in the panel here. how big do you think this rick gates news is? >> number one we don't know. this is very much blind man in the el vants with everything we learn. we get this trickle of hints and tea leaves and suppositions. there's a lot that's very suggestive about this development.