one who is going to retire and take over this position to understand the problems that veterans face. >> part of the answer to that question is someone who has managed something before, let alone the second biggest bureaucracy of 377,000 plus employees and about $250 billion flowing through it. do you know of any management experience of anything near that scale that the admiral has? >> well, chris, i think if you look back and you look at the previous v.a. secretaries, those who supposedly had management experience who have come in, we have seen disasters under their regimes. the tragedies that took place in phoenix, arizona from a v.a. secretary who had management experience. that didn't help save the lives for the veterans waiting for care in phoenix, arizona. the president is taking a military person and understands the karas it relates to the vca