actually taking care of the statute of limitations problem that a president could go free if the time expired for criminal charges while he was in office. >> let me ask you this, because mr. dellinger, you argued the clinton v. jones case before the supreme court, making the case that indicting president clinton would keep him from doing the job of running the country, and that turned out to be a losing argument. so why are you arguing the other side when it comes to this president, to president trump? >> well, a couple of reasons, don. the most important one is that we lost clinton against jones 9-0. the court rejected the position we argued. so the law is established by clinton against jones that you can actually make a president go through a civil trial while he's in office, and so -- and sets a very high standard for exempting or immunizing a president from the ordinary criminal processes. but moreover, i argued in clinton against jones that an actual civil trial ought to be