>> maybe. >> maybe they did. >> even publicly, though, they were saying, look, everything is wrapping up. the interviews are wrapping up. this is going to be done soon. you know, it's fascinating, like you point out, someone told my colleague, gloria borger, a source familiar with all this, when she asked who is going to lead the legal strategy now at this crucial time and that person said well, the president is. >> and that is the problem. the old adage of a person who represents themselves has a fool for a client now appears to apply here. and we don't know who it is that is left to be the outside lawyer. sekulow is not a criminal attorney. digenova is there more for pr strategies. >> he's a pitbull. >> even if he wasn't he's not a roll up your sleeves, file motions in court lawyer. he's there for communications purposes. there is really no one left in charge that is a practicing