democrats nationwide -- for democratic candidates nationwide? >> well, candidate talent matters of course. but a big tent matters. you know, there's two kind of parties like there's two kinds of churches. those who hunt down heretics and those who seek out converts, okay? i'm a pope francis democrat. i want to see converts. i don't want to drive people out of my church. and you have the same fight in the republican party where they brand people rhinos if they dare vote against one thing. i like the fact that the democrats found someone who is a democrat, as kirsten pointed out, pro-union, pro-medicare, pro-medicaid, pro-choice, but also fit the district. you got to meet people where they live. i think this is a great template for the democrats. not every candidate will be a progressive. not every candidate will be that talented. but if the democrats finally are learning -- >> but could conor lamb win on a national stage in the democratic party as it is today. >> he's just 12 years old -- no, he's 33. >> someone with those numbers. >> yeah, joe biden. >> he says he's personally pro-life.