have heard this from sources for months. it is a two-way street. >> right. >> it was not necessarily the best situation for rex tillerson trying to fit into this world and the president admitted that last week. but the burden was also on rex tillerson. we have heard, i have heard from people that he just kind of never got it, got how to transition from being a ceo of exxonmobil to being part of a team, to being somebody who works for the president of the united states and integrating himself in that world. that it was very rocky from the beginning. having said that, on a human level to see hob is one of the ultimate alpha males in this country, rex tillerson, be diminished and frankly humiliated the way he has been