and the president is like don't waste your time. cut him down on twitter publicly. and as you say hours before the announcement tillerson traveled in africa, announcement made when he was asleep, the u.s. is long ways from talks. words you used. so secretary of state didn't have any idea this was going on. and certainly people in the white house. sarah sanders says that's all a load of baloney. everyone that needed to know now. >> and secretary of state's deputy was in the room at the time these conversations went on. so it's absurd to pretend they weren't like part of this pros stes and haven't been part of this process all along. >> is she right? >> well, no, it's a matter of not being a matter of the process. what is the process? we keep hearing different things of the process. no one really knows what to believe. is there an agreement to talk? is there not an agreement to talk? are we going to talk if they meet certain conditions?